What Animals Can Teach Us About the Origins of Good and Evil, and Banning the Rodeo in BC

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To commence this show, Jenni is back from her travels to Portland and tells us about the vegan scene at the Warped Tour she attended!

Adam Olsen, BC Green Party leader, on banning the rodeo

adamOlsenFor our first interview, we have BC Green Party interim leader Adam Olsen on the show. On May 29th, at its Annual General Meeting, the BC Green Party passed a resolution to call for a province-wide ban on rodeo events that use animals. This decision sets an innovative precedent, as it’s the first time that a political party has called for an end to rodeo events.

In this interview, we ask Adam to give details on the terms of the resolution and what it means for the province for the years to come. We also ask him to address criticisms that have been received, including calling this move an attack on the farming community, and claiming that there are more pressing issues for the party to instead pursue.


Jeffrey Moussaeiff Masson, “Beasts: What Animals Can Teach Us About the Origins of Good and Evil”

jeffreymassonOur feature interview is with Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson. He is an ex-psychoanalyst and former director of the Freud Archives, and is the author of numerous bestselling books on animal emotions, including “When Elephants Weep” and “The Pig Who Sang To the Moon”. In this interview, he speaks with us about his recently published book “Beasts: What Animals Can Teach Us About the Origins of Good and Evil”.

There are two supreme predators on the planet with the most complex brains in nature: humans and orcas. In the twentieth century alone, one of these animals killed 200 million members of its own species, the other has killed none. Jeffrey Masson’s fascinating new book begins here: There is something different about us, and we go into some of the nuances of this issue as we analyze and compare the difference regarding why animals in the wild kill vs. why humans kill.

Here is the trailer for the book:

5 comments for “What Animals Can Teach Us About the Origins of Good and Evil, and Banning the Rodeo in BC

  1. marv
    July 5, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    I was quite troubled by Jeffrey Moussaeiff Masson’s take on speciesism and his misrepresentation of Marti Kheel’s standpoint. Masson attributed animal oppression to human domination in gender neutral terms. This of course is a farce to any honest scrutiny of social reality. When it comes to hunting, farming, ranching, intensive livestock operations, slaughtering factories, fishing industries, meat packing plants, transporting animals, zoos, aquariums, rodeos, circuses, government regulations, etc., it is men who lead the way. Men especially white ones own and control the vast majority of the animal exploitation system. Women comply with male power but are not the principal holders of it. Similarly, caucasion women participated in the enslavement of black people but it was the white men who ruled. Within the slave owning class, wives and daughters were in fact the property of husbands and fathers.

    Marti Kheel has probably poofed out of her own cremated ashes to know that Masson refused to acknowledge male human supremacy in the destruction of animals’ lives. She frequently criticized the animal rights movement for its ignorance in claiming it is the anthropocentric mindset that is foremost at fault. To quote her directly,
    “ecofeminists…argue that it is the androcentric worldview that deserves primary blame. For ecofeminists, it is not just ‘humans’ but men and the masculinist worldview that must be dismantled from their privileged place.” (Reweaving the World, eds. Diamond and Orenstein, p. 129)

    It would be enormously disrespectful of Marti Kheel, all women and nonhuman animals for you to not to publicly correct such a fallacious account of animal misery. No wonder feminists are so irate at animal advocacy groups.

    PS Do you really believe Masson’s inference that it is generic humans who kill their own in vast numbers? How many of those 200,000,000 dead in the 20th century have been slaughtered at the hands of women? Is the military run by women now or ever? He and us must keep it real.

  2. Alison
    July 5, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Hi Marv,
    Thanks for listening to the show, as always. I can’t speak for Jeffrey’s reasons for referencing the human race in gender neutral terms (and he is cycling in Europe now with no internet, so I can’t ask him), but of course I personally acknowledge that yes, it is males that have led the exercising of domination and oppression of other beings over the thousands of years, as opposed to females. We didn’t get into the splitting of gender roles in this interview, but that definitely could have been a valid avenue to discuss in order to take a deeper look into the issues. In fact, we may specifically address this issue in a future show to come, where we can give it some real examination. I am sorry you were troubled by this lack of specification.

  3. marv
    July 5, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Fair enough to some extent. I still think it is necessary to clarify on your program the position of Marti Kheel who is not alive to defend the perversion of her deeply held beliefs, irregardless of Jeffery’s possibly sincere intentions. We should honour the our dead soldiers who fought for animals and women by remembering them truthfully. And please realize gender roles are at the heart of the war against animals not a side avenue to be discussed occasionally. I bear no hard feelings against Jeffery or Animal Voices. We are all socially conditioned to see what we see. We know this from our former lives as omnivores and vegetarians. Feminist veganism is threatening to harmful habituated patterns of living.

  4. B M Levie
    July 7, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    Interesting exchange. (But Marv, really…….”irregardless”?)

  5. marv
    October 6, 2014 at 12:19 am

    Well I can’t read his mind so I don’t know what his motives were. Many people find feminist critiques of the animal rights movement to be to controversial and divisive so they circumvent them. Consequently they are presenting a distorted message to each other and the public. The truth is more unsettling than we want to admit.


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